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		<title>By: Original author</title>
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		<dc:creator>Original author</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howdy- this is a note from the original author.  This is the first time I have come back to this posting to reread it (it was composed as an unedited stream of consciousness) and the discussion that ensued.  

First, thanks for all the support.  I am glad that others seem to think that I behaved properly.

Second, I will address the critical comments of Ed:

Ed, you need to read more widely and learn that the same word can have multiple meanings, often differentiated by context.  RLK (Jan 14th, 2009) had it exactly right.  My reference to minstrels was an allusion to European not reconstruction performers.  If you were not so eager to paint me as a racist perhaps you would have noticed that this vignette was  modeled after the white knight / black knight motif (joke intended).  For goodness sake I used the phrase &quot;Medieval flail&quot;!  How much more obvious do you need me to make it?  If I had wanted to evoke the likes of Thomas Dilward I would have peppered (or should I say salted) my story with mentions of banjos and jubilees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howdy- this is a note from the original author.  This is the first time I have come back to this posting to reread it (it was composed as an unedited stream of consciousness) and the discussion that ensued.  </p>
<p>First, thanks for all the support.  I am glad that others seem to think that I behaved properly.</p>
<p>Second, I will address the critical comments of Ed:</p>
<p>Ed, you need to read more widely and learn that the same word can have multiple meanings, often differentiated by context.  RLK (Jan 14th, 2009) had it exactly right.  My reference to minstrels was an allusion to European not reconstruction performers.  If you were not so eager to paint me as a racist perhaps you would have noticed that this vignette was  modeled after the white knight / black knight motif (joke intended).  For goodness sake I used the phrase &#8220;Medieval flail&#8221;!  How much more obvious do you need me to make it?  If I had wanted to evoke the likes of Thomas Dilward I would have peppered (or should I say salted) my story with mentions of banjos and jubilees.</p>
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		<title>By: 30</title>
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		<dc:creator>30</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 01:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, S T., are you really equating this guy with terrorists? Al Qaida???
You&#039;ve lost your mind....

This guy was just posturing; tryin to bolster his own dismal self esteem by exuding some control over others. Its jail cell nature. 

There are two types of people rapping in public. One who aims to spread a message, get their music out, entertain folks. 
The other is the guy you described. Noticeably louder, confrontational - lyrics that offend the general public - and they know this.

The only way this gives him satisfaction is if it visibly bothers cats. The best way to deal with this is not to confront him (this is attention that the youth crave but shouldnt get through negative means). The best way is to go on about your business with your daughter. Continue talking. Continue playing your games.

This is real life and trying to control your surroundings is only sheltering your daughter and sending an unrealistic message - which is probably more dangerous than exposing her.

Unless you want her to be the next person gripping the bicycle wheel...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, S T., are you really equating this guy with terrorists? Al Qaida???<br />
You&#8217;ve lost your mind&#8230;.</p>
<p>This guy was just posturing; tryin to bolster his own dismal self esteem by exuding some control over others. Its jail cell nature. </p>
<p>There are two types of people rapping in public. One who aims to spread a message, get their music out, entertain folks.<br />
The other is the guy you described. Noticeably louder, confrontational &#8211; lyrics that offend the general public &#8211; and they know this.</p>
<p>The only way this gives him satisfaction is if it visibly bothers cats. The best way to deal with this is not to confront him (this is attention that the youth crave but shouldnt get through negative means). The best way is to go on about your business with your daughter. Continue talking. Continue playing your games.</p>
<p>This is real life and trying to control your surroundings is only sheltering your daughter and sending an unrealistic message &#8211; which is probably more dangerous than exposing her.</p>
<p>Unless you want her to be the next person gripping the bicycle wheel&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.bustales.com/route/50/the-public-rapper/comment-page-1/#comment-1278</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 05:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really don&#039;t want to be racist by all means because I&#039;m not, but on any given route (especially the light rail and 50 or 16) you have many folks (from my experience african-americans) &quot;rappin&quot; but at the same time its completely disrespectful if what they&#039;re rhyming is bad (which is 95% of the time).  I go to the Art Institute on South 9th Street and i work at the Apple Store at the MOA thus i take the light rail to work so any given day i get that stuff all the time.  Occasionally (depending on how much possible back up i would have) i will come out and stand up for myself, the general public or for a child&#039;s ears as you did.  Quite honestly its sick and twisted that some folks have absolutely no care in the world about what is around them except for their life and their own words, no other people matter especially children.

Anywho, i tip my hat to you for that.  It takes persons like you to show that in public there is a common decency that everyone should obey or think about before their mouths are wide the hell open.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don&#8217;t want to be racist by all means because I&#8217;m not, but on any given route (especially the light rail and 50 or 16) you have many folks (from my experience african-americans) &#8220;rappin&#8221; but at the same time its completely disrespectful if what they&#8217;re rhyming is bad (which is 95% of the time).  I go to the Art Institute on South 9th Street and i work at the Apple Store at the MOA thus i take the light rail to work so any given day i get that stuff all the time.  Occasionally (depending on how much possible back up i would have) i will come out and stand up for myself, the general public or for a child&#8217;s ears as you did.  Quite honestly its sick and twisted that some folks have absolutely no care in the world about what is around them except for their life and their own words, no other people matter especially children.</p>
<p>Anywho, i tip my hat to you for that.  It takes persons like you to show that in public there is a common decency that everyone should obey or think about before their mouths are wide the hell open.</p>
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		<title>By: RLK</title>
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		<dc:creator>RLK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed.  Try wikipedia:

A minstrel was a medieval European bard who performed songs whose lyrics told stories about distant places or about real or imaginary historical events. Though minstrels created their own tales, often they would memorize and embellish the works of others. Frequently they were retained by royalty and high society. As the courts became more sophisticated, minstrels were eventually replaced at court by the troubadours, and many became wandering minstrels, performing in the streets and became well liked until the middle of the Renaissance, despite a decline beginning in the late 15th century. Minstrelsy fed into later traditions of traveling entertainers, which continued to be moderately strong into the early 20th century, and which has some continuity down to today&#039;s buskers or street musicians. 

Nothing racist about that term.  It just means lyricist in public.  

When someone gets on the bus and says repeatedly he&#039;s going to shoot you in the head, that&#039;s a problem.  Can you understand that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed.  Try wikipedia:</p>
<p>A minstrel was a medieval European bard who performed songs whose lyrics told stories about distant places or about real or imaginary historical events. Though minstrels created their own tales, often they would memorize and embellish the works of others. Frequently they were retained by royalty and high society. As the courts became more sophisticated, minstrels were eventually replaced at court by the troubadours, and many became wandering minstrels, performing in the streets and became well liked until the middle of the Renaissance, despite a decline beginning in the late 15th century. Minstrelsy fed into later traditions of traveling entertainers, which continued to be moderately strong into the early 20th century, and which has some continuity down to today&#8217;s buskers or street musicians. </p>
<p>Nothing racist about that term.  It just means lyricist in public.  </p>
<p>When someone gets on the bus and says repeatedly he&#8217;s going to shoot you in the head, that&#8217;s a problem.  Can you understand that?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 23:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay folks, ask your pals both black and white if they would like to go see a minstrel show on Saturday night and see how they react.  Give me a big f in break.  We all know what a minstrel show is, it&#039;s an American show consisting of whites wearing black faces and making fun of blacks.  You guys are too unbelievable.  And when you put minstel together with rapper, yeah, a Swedish dude just popped into my head.  A Swedish minstrel rapper huh.  What are you guys smoking seriously.  The blogger is a racist plain and simple, courageous for posting my remarks but racist none-the-less.  One guy said he was a martial artist.  Oh I&#039;m so scared.  You play around in the dojo and then get your behind kicked on the streets.  How about plain and simple verbal communication.  &quot;Excuse me, can you watch your language?&quot;  Why get so scared saying that to anyone, white, black, rapper, biker, business suit guy, woman, child?  You&#039;re all cowards and chickens who would rather profile and live happily in your little media contrived delusionary cocoons.  Uh-oh, an Italian in a jogging suit just got on the bus, better not mess with him, he&#039;ll put you sick feet under, fuhgetaboutit!  Uh-oh, a German in a military jacket just got on the bus, hope you&#039;re not Jewish or Polish!  Uh-oh, an Arab just got on the bus, better make sure he didn&#039;t leave his backpack behind!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay folks, ask your pals both black and white if they would like to go see a minstrel show on Saturday night and see how they react.  Give me a big f in break.  We all know what a minstrel show is, it&#8217;s an American show consisting of whites wearing black faces and making fun of blacks.  You guys are too unbelievable.  And when you put minstel together with rapper, yeah, a Swedish dude just popped into my head.  A Swedish minstrel rapper huh.  What are you guys smoking seriously.  The blogger is a racist plain and simple, courageous for posting my remarks but racist none-the-less.  One guy said he was a martial artist.  Oh I&#8217;m so scared.  You play around in the dojo and then get your behind kicked on the streets.  How about plain and simple verbal communication.  &#8220;Excuse me, can you watch your language?&#8221;  Why get so scared saying that to anyone, white, black, rapper, biker, business suit guy, woman, child?  You&#8217;re all cowards and chickens who would rather profile and live happily in your little media contrived delusionary cocoons.  Uh-oh, an Italian in a jogging suit just got on the bus, better not mess with him, he&#8217;ll put you sick feet under, fuhgetaboutit!  Uh-oh, a German in a military jacket just got on the bus, hope you&#8217;re not Jewish or Polish!  Uh-oh, an Arab just got on the bus, better make sure he didn&#8217;t leave his backpack behind!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a bus driver for about 8 years now, I have been put in this situation countless times. Most recently, on the 6 route. 3 teens were talking loud and nasty in the back of the bus. I told them that that type of language was not allowed on the bus. They apologized. About four blocks later, it happened again. I pulled the bus over and got on the microphone and informed them that this was their stop. They tried the apology thing again. I told them they said they were sorry last time. Obviously, that wasn&#039;t true. I told them this was not baseball and they did not get three strikes ( a line I use often) and they needed to get off the bus or the police would come and assist them in getting off the bus. 

The whole bus was quiet. Not one passenger backed me up. Not that I expected it. That&#039;s just the way it is. Besides, sometimes that does make things worse, sometimes it helps when they intervene. You just never know. 

Anyway, the 3 losers all came to the front of the bus and begged to stay on the bus. They said their transfers were almost expired and they&#039;d have to pay another fare. Boo Hoo. I almost felt bad....but not quite. I told them they should have thought about that when they got their one and only warning. Now it was too late and they&#039;d have to deal with the consequences of their actions. They actually had the nerve to ask me for new transfers. Surprise, surprise. I said no. What message would THAT send...act an ass on the bus and get two and a half more hours of free rides??!!??

Lucky for me, they got off the bus with no physical confrontation. I have been pretty lucky that way. I did have about half a dozen passengers thank me as they each left at their stops. Some said more drivers should do that. 

Most drivers are afraid of confrontation and rightfully so. There are hundreds of assaults on bus drivers here in the twin cities every year. Only the worst ones make the news. Personally, I&#039;ve been spit on and egged but have been lucky enough not to have been punched or anything worse. I did pepper spray the guy that spit on me, but we aren&#039;t security guards, police or super heros...we are bus drivers. We can call for help but are basically on our own as help is not usually around the corner. 

I would love if more people would jump in and help when something is wrong...even if it is just a few words to let the offender know that the person they are confronting is not alone. Yet, I don&#039;t want to see someone else get hurt or killed by trying to help. I guess you just have to go with your heart...and your head. 

I have stories from my view as a bus driver. If interested, just click on my name above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a bus driver for about 8 years now, I have been put in this situation countless times. Most recently, on the 6 route. 3 teens were talking loud and nasty in the back of the bus. I told them that that type of language was not allowed on the bus. They apologized. About four blocks later, it happened again. I pulled the bus over and got on the microphone and informed them that this was their stop. They tried the apology thing again. I told them they said they were sorry last time. Obviously, that wasn&#8217;t true. I told them this was not baseball and they did not get three strikes ( a line I use often) and they needed to get off the bus or the police would come and assist them in getting off the bus. </p>
<p>The whole bus was quiet. Not one passenger backed me up. Not that I expected it. That&#8217;s just the way it is. Besides, sometimes that does make things worse, sometimes it helps when they intervene. You just never know. </p>
<p>Anyway, the 3 losers all came to the front of the bus and begged to stay on the bus. They said their transfers were almost expired and they&#8217;d have to pay another fare. Boo Hoo. I almost felt bad&#8230;.but not quite. I told them they should have thought about that when they got their one and only warning. Now it was too late and they&#8217;d have to deal with the consequences of their actions. They actually had the nerve to ask me for new transfers. Surprise, surprise. I said no. What message would THAT send&#8230;act an ass on the bus and get two and a half more hours of free rides??!!??</p>
<p>Lucky for me, they got off the bus with no physical confrontation. I have been pretty lucky that way. I did have about half a dozen passengers thank me as they each left at their stops. Some said more drivers should do that. </p>
<p>Most drivers are afraid of confrontation and rightfully so. There are hundreds of assaults on bus drivers here in the twin cities every year. Only the worst ones make the news. Personally, I&#8217;ve been spit on and egged but have been lucky enough not to have been punched or anything worse. I did pepper spray the guy that spit on me, but we aren&#8217;t security guards, police or super heros&#8230;we are bus drivers. We can call for help but are basically on our own as help is not usually around the corner. </p>
<p>I would love if more people would jump in and help when something is wrong&#8230;even if it is just a few words to let the offender know that the person they are confronting is not alone. Yet, I don&#8217;t want to see someone else get hurt or killed by trying to help. I guess you just have to go with your heart&#8230;and your head. </p>
<p>I have stories from my view as a bus driver. If interested, just click on my name above.</p>
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		<title>By: lutjens</title>
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		<dc:creator>lutjens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed is a bit overly sensitive in detecting prejudice.  Anyone who rides a bus knows perfectly well that there is a parade of types.  Some crossover all racial types and some are fairly specific.  That&#039;s reality, not prejudice.  
PMF, don&#039;t you ever tire of playing the blame-the-liberals card.  It is soooo tiresome and not a bit helpful.
I&#039;ve had a few such chaps on my bus.  They weren&#039;t overtly threatening but they were sure we all wanted to hear and, presumably, admire their rhyming skill.  When I notice them I get on the speaker and ask them to keep it to themselves.  When they make the expected grumbling sounds about me not appreciating music I just say, &#039;It would be different if you had talent, but you don&#039;t.&#039;   That seems to offend them enough to silence them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed is a bit overly sensitive in detecting prejudice.  Anyone who rides a bus knows perfectly well that there is a parade of types.  Some crossover all racial types and some are fairly specific.  That&#8217;s reality, not prejudice.<br />
PMF, don&#8217;t you ever tire of playing the blame-the-liberals card.  It is soooo tiresome and not a bit helpful.<br />
I&#8217;ve had a few such chaps on my bus.  They weren&#8217;t overtly threatening but they were sure we all wanted to hear and, presumably, admire their rhyming skill.  When I notice them I get on the speaker and ask them to keep it to themselves.  When they make the expected grumbling sounds about me not appreciating music I just say, &#8216;It would be different if you had talent, but you don&#8217;t.&#8217;   That seems to offend them enough to silence them.</p>
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		<title>By: pmf</title>
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		<dc:creator>pmf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right On! The bus driver and the bus system has a responsibility as well. At that point, others should have stood with you and called police on their cellphones. The system should have a policy in place to ban that passenger and the system should have been aware of the situation. Begin by speaking with the driver and other passengers and then elevate it as you did--and you were prepared with a potential weapon as well. Liberals need to understand that there are bad people. The school&#039;s response was BS. They should have dragged the student in and counseled him and let him know they were monitoring the situation. Tell us what has  happened since.  thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right On! The bus driver and the bus system has a responsibility as well. At that point, others should have stood with you and called police on their cellphones. The system should have a policy in place to ban that passenger and the system should have been aware of the situation. Begin by speaking with the driver and other passengers and then elevate it as you did&#8211;and you were prepared with a potential weapon as well. Liberals need to understand that there are bad people. The school&#8217;s response was BS. They should have dragged the student in and counseled him and let him know they were monitoring the situation. Tell us what has  happened since.  thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Juhnke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Juhnke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BF, thanks for putting some common sencse back into the discussion after Ed wanted to take this issue in the wrong direction.   

I train transit operators, in both local and national training sessions, in self defense and de-esclation when confrunting difficult and dangerous situations and BF is correct.   Confronting anyone with our the proper training and authority can be very dangerous.  The author talks about the pack of other toughs on the bus that if this situation would have esclated may have wanted to join in the violence.

I am a martial arts instructor and was a competive fighter for over a decade and if I can give just one bit of advice to anyone who wants to know what to do if they are in this situation:  Read the book &quot;The Gift of Fear&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BF, thanks for putting some common sencse back into the discussion after Ed wanted to take this issue in the wrong direction.   </p>
<p>I train transit operators, in both local and national training sessions, in self defense and de-esclation when confrunting difficult and dangerous situations and BF is correct.   Confronting anyone with our the proper training and authority can be very dangerous.  The author talks about the pack of other toughs on the bus that if this situation would have esclated may have wanted to join in the violence.</p>
<p>I am a martial arts instructor and was a competive fighter for over a decade and if I can give just one bit of advice to anyone who wants to know what to do if they are in this situation:  Read the book &#8220;The Gift of Fear&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: BF</title>
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		<dc:creator>BF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed, dont confuse racial stereotyping with good common sense judging of risk!  Perhaps you were the one to imply a racial stereotype that all &quot;gangsta&quot; types are black...when in fact they come in all colors. The author of this story never brought up the race or color of the individual.
Racial stereo-typing is a bad thing as you are making assumptions about someone simply because of color or ethnicity.  What this person did was have a good common sense awareness of who they were dealing with. The gangsta/rapper culture deliberately cultivates the threatening, intimidating appearance and attitude and have a theme of violence unpinning their music. 
In confronting this individual their appearance/attitude would have everything to do with judging the risk involved.  The same would be true if it were a &quot;Biker&quot; dressed in his leathers with chains dragging from thier belt, or the business suited guy carrying a briefcase. Who is more dangerous?  No one really knows...but with the information available...who would you be more concerned with confronting?
Sitting on a bus, making an assessment of who is a risk or not....what else do you have to go on?  Expecting someone to look deep into someones soul and determine their disposition toward peace or violence before making a judgment about them, regardless of their outward appearance is a wonderful sentiment, but a darned foolish one, especially when travelling on public transit in any major city. 

Also, with respect to JBE&#039;s comments about the Bus Driver&#039;s responsibility.  They are bus drivers, not police, not security guards. They have a responsibility to seek assistance from police - fire - or medical if needed, nothing more. Beyond that their responsibility is no different than everyone else on the bus should they choose to intervene and assist another person in distress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, dont confuse racial stereotyping with good common sense judging of risk!  Perhaps you were the one to imply a racial stereotype that all &#8220;gangsta&#8221; types are black&#8230;when in fact they come in all colors. The author of this story never brought up the race or color of the individual.<br />
Racial stereo-typing is a bad thing as you are making assumptions about someone simply because of color or ethnicity.  What this person did was have a good common sense awareness of who they were dealing with. The gangsta/rapper culture deliberately cultivates the threatening, intimidating appearance and attitude and have a theme of violence unpinning their music.<br />
In confronting this individual their appearance/attitude would have everything to do with judging the risk involved.  The same would be true if it were a &#8220;Biker&#8221; dressed in his leathers with chains dragging from thier belt, or the business suited guy carrying a briefcase. Who is more dangerous?  No one really knows&#8230;but with the information available&#8230;who would you be more concerned with confronting?<br />
Sitting on a bus, making an assessment of who is a risk or not&#8230;.what else do you have to go on?  Expecting someone to look deep into someones soul and determine their disposition toward peace or violence before making a judgment about them, regardless of their outward appearance is a wonderful sentiment, but a darned foolish one, especially when travelling on public transit in any major city. </p>
<p>Also, with respect to JBE&#8217;s comments about the Bus Driver&#8217;s responsibility.  They are bus drivers, not police, not security guards. They have a responsibility to seek assistance from police &#8211; fire &#8211; or medical if needed, nothing more. Beyond that their responsibility is no different than everyone else on the bus should they choose to intervene and assist another person in distress.</p>
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